PODCAST: A Little-Known Country, Part 24 (Out of the Depths #75 with Daniel Whyte III)

Welcome to the Ordained Chaplains podcast. My name is Daniel Whyte III. I am the president of Gospel Light Society University. We are going through the book “Out of the Depths: An Autobiographical Study Of Mental Disorder And Religious Experience” by one of the pioneers of chaplaincy, Dr. Anton T. Boisen. This is episode #75.

Our Scripture Verse for today is Matthew 11:28-30 which reads, “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”

Our Ordained Chaplains quote for today is from Charles Spurgeon. He said, “Anxiety does not empty tomorrow of its sorrows, but only empties today of its strength.”

In this podcast, we will continue discussing the book “Out of the Depths” by Anton T. Boisen. We continue today with “Chapter 4: A Little-Known Country” (Part 24):

After three months of negotiations my mother and sister withdrew their objections, and arrangements were completed for my transfer to Bloomingdale, where I was to pay the nominal charge of ten dollars a week. The date was set for March 25, but on March 24 I became acutely disturbed and had to be sent to Codman Upper, a disturbed ward. The causes of this relapse were somewhat complex.

I had been eager to go to Bloomingdale; and yet, as the letter of December 16 shows, I dreaded the psychoanalytic treatment by men I did not know, perhaps even more than the incarceration at Westboro. For the psychoanalysts were doctors, and my fear of the doctors still carried over from my forcible hospitalization.

Then, back of it all was the conviction that I was not wholly wrong. I had been plunged into a strange new world, and the specific ideas from the previous delirium had been stowed away in the back of my mind with big question marks after them.

Just about a week before the transfer to Bloomingdale was to be made I was given a copy of The Unsee Guest. This was a book on spiritism, one that does not make much impression on me now, but at that time I became intensely interested in it, and under its influence the slumbering ideas were reawakened. They began to seem possible, then probable, then true. Meanwhile I had become more and more absorbed. I could think of nothing else. All night I lay awake thinking, all the time knowing that further detention at Westboro was sure to result. The dominant emotions were intense interest and intense fear.

My condition did not remain unnoticed, but the authorities were planning to go through with the transfer anyway. However, on the morning of the day I was to have left, I took matters into my own hands and visited one of the physicians in his apartment in order to discuss with him certain propositions pertaining to the family-of-four, which at that moment had become for me a plan of collaboration between medical and religious workers.

The following five letters to Fred Eastman show the development of my state of mind at the time of onset.

18 March 1921
Dear Fred:

I had a talk with Dr. Lang this morning and learned with satisfaction that he had acted favorably to your proposition and that all that now remains to be done is to attend to the customary red tape. At first he was inclined to insist upon your coming to get me. Finally he consented to allow Mother to sign the needed papers and to let me go down to New York alone. I am hoping to be released next week so that I can be with you on Easter Sunday.

I have just finished The Unseen Guest, and have found it of absorbing interest. In fact the impression it made on me is tremendous. It seems to supplement and clarify and support so startlingly the experience through which I have passed and the ideas with which I have been struggling. Once more, just as in that book of Freud’s, I have seemed to check up ad find my answer right. I suppose I am pre-disposed to accept this book at face value. Perhaps for this very reason I ought to be more cautious.

In our next podcast, we will continue with Part 25 of Chapter 4, “A Little Known Country”.


Now, if you have come across this podcast, and do not know the Lord Jesus Christ as your Saviour, allow me to show you how.

First, accept the fact that you are a sinner, and that you have broken God’s law. The Bible says in Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned and come short of the glory of God.”

Second, accept the fact that there is a penalty for sin. The Bible states in Romans 6:23: “For the wages of sin is death…”

Third, accept the fact that you are on the road to hell. Jesus Christ said in Matthew 10:28: “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Also, the Bible states in Revelation 21:8: “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”

Now this is bad news, but here’s the good news. Jesus Christ said in John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” Just believe in your heart that Jesus Christ died for your sins, was buried, and rose from the dead by the power of God for you so that you can live eternally with Him. Pray and ask Him to come into your heart today, and He will.

Romans 10:9-13 says, “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

Until next time, my friend, God bless!